Session Start: Fri Jun 05 00:00:00 2015 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
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[13:13] * sets mode: +v camerongray
[13:13] * sets mode: +a
[13:13] * sets mode: +o BC_Programming
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[13:40]<t4nk052> hello is anyone online
[13:41]<t4nk052> @camerongray may i pm u pls
[13:41]<+camerongray> no.
[13:41]<@BC_Programming> lol
[13:41]<+camerongray> We do not care about you being banned from CH, now move along
[13:42]<t4nk052> im banned from the forum too unfortunately
[13:42]<@BC_Programming> oh is that the same fellow then?
[13:42]<+camerongray> lol
[13:42]<t4nk052> im sorry for what i said on the forum
[13:42]<+camerongray> I can totally see why you are also banned from the forum
[13:42]<t4nk052> is there a way to get unbanned
[13:43]<@BC_Programming> I suppose you could E-mail Nathan/CH Admin... of course since he was the one that banned you from the forum I don't know how helpful that would be
[13:43]<t4nk052> i promise not to repeat what i said again
[13:43]<+camerongray> Bloody hell, I really don't see why you even bother
[13:43]<t4nk052> im sincerely sorry
[13:43]<+camerongray> Loads of other forums and chat rooms out tehre
[13:43]<t4nk052> i know it was my fault
[13:43]<+camerongray> Besides, this channel has dick all to do with CH
[13:43]<@BC_Programming> Yeah we have no power over CH.... neither the chat nor the forum
[13:44]<t4nk052> and i hope u all forgive me, are u guys angry at me
[13:44]<@BC_Programming> not angry. Entertained maybe
[13:44]<+camerongray> ^ This
[13:44]<t4nk052> i hope u guys accept my apology, i understand i had went too far yesterday
[13:45]<+camerongray> *sigh*
[13:45]<+camerongray> It's a bloody forum, not a big deal...
[13:45]<t4nk052> should i be worried about this forever
[13:46]<+camerongray> Grow up a bit...
[13:46]<t4nk052> @camerongray will CH chat ever unlock for me
[13:47]<+camerongray> http://s3.amazonaws.com/rapgenius/4db77_ORIG-look_at_all_the_fucks_i_give.jpg
[13:47]<@BC_Programming> lol
[13:47]<@BC_Programming> That would be up to Lostcoast and the CH ops, of whom we have zero influence
[13:47]<+camerongray> Should have read that URL :P
[13:47]<@BC_Programming> yeah gave it away
[13:47]<t4nk052> how to get in touch with LC
[13:47]<t4nk052> lostcoast
[13:47]<t4nk052> if chat is disabled
[13:47]<+camerongray> For *censored* sake
[13:47]<t4nk052> for me
[13:47]<+camerongray> Why do you even care?
[13:48]<+camerongray> What are you, 12? I've never seen so much fussing over being banned from a crappy IRC channel
[13:48]<@BC_Programming> you could send him unsolicited PMs. I'm sure he'd totally not be annoyed by that /s
[13:48]<+camerongray> I don't even use the channel anymore
[13:48]<t4nk052> @camerongray u sound very angry at me, im sorry for bothering u
[13:48]<@BC_Programming> this is great
[13:49]<t4nk052> anyway i will try contacting CH
[13:49]<+camerongray> Certainly more interesting than testing a tag management system which is what I really should be doing right now
[13:49]<t4nk052> camerongray if i apologize to LC will that be good
[13:49]<@BC_Programming> lol
[13:50] * +camerongray picks up keyboard and repeatedly smashes it against his face
[13:50]<t4nk052> anyway i got to get going now, see u guys
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[13:51]<@BC_Programming> "see you guys" was that a threat?
[13:51]<+camerongray> lol
[13:51]<+camerongray> Bloody knobend
[13:51]<+camerongray> YES, TAKE THAT CHANBOT
[13:51]<@BC_Programming> heh so much for that victory
[13:52]<+camerongray> lol!
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[14:07]<t4nk881> if anyone is still here, may i ask one last question
[14:08]<@BC_Programming> No we all left
[14:08]<t4nk881> oh sorry about that, sorry for disturbing u
[14:08]<@BC_Programming> Eve me, this is just an automatic script
[14:08]<t4nk881> ok my apologies
[14:09]<t4nk881> i just pray that i get unbanned soon
[14:09]<@BC_Programming> Why?
[14:10]<t4nk881> @BC_Programming i understand that what i said on the chat was not right and i should not have talked back to Lostcoast at all
[14:11]<@BC_Programming> Why do you care if you get unbanned?
[14:11]<t4nk881> I actally want to get unbanned because I think its an awesome chat to ask computer questions
[14:12]<t4nk881> but knowing lostcoast do u think he will forgive me ever
[14:14]<t4nk881> is there any particular way i can get in touch with the CH channel
[14:15]<@BC_Programming> I wouldn't. You constantly ask the same question repeatedly, completely ignoring what anybody is saying. Then you get banned and throw a fit.
[14:15]<t4nk881> are u very angry at me for this
[14:16]<@BC_Programming> See, case and point- you've asked that, just in this channel, something like 5 times already.
[14:16]<@BC_Programming> And it has been answered already, yet you keep asking the same question
[14:16]<t4nk881> what was the same question
[14:16]<@BC_Programming> "are you angry with me"
[14:16]<t4nk881> oh i had asked that because i was worried that u were
[14:18]<@BC_Programming> Why? Why do you care?
[14:18]<t4nk881> i was worried that u were angry just by ur tone it sounded like u were mad at me
[14:18]<@BC_Programming> text doesn't have a "tone"
[14:18]<t4nk881> i didnt want to upset u at all
[14:19]<t4nk881> ok
[14:20]<t4nk881> but do u know why i may have gotten banned from the forum
[14:20]<@BC_Programming> yes
[14:20]<t4nk881> can u pls tell me why because i have no idea
[14:21]<t4nk881> did i do something bad
[14:22]<@BC_Programming> the forum does not entertain the ramblings of morons
[14:23]<t4nk881> but i wanted to apologize for that i will not repeat it again
[14:23]<@BC_Programming> It's too late
[14:23]<@BC_Programming> you already fucked up, get over it
[14:23]<t4nk881> can u pls give me one last chance
[14:23]<t4nk881> i will make sure not to do it again
[14:24]<@BC_Programming> OK you're unbanned now
[14:24]<t4nk881> thank u so much for unbanning me i promise not to do this again
[14:25]<t4nk881> i appreciate u giving me one more chance and i wanted to thank u very much, i promise not to complain again like that on the forum again
[14:26]<t4nk881> i tried to get on the forum just now but it says this message an error has occured
[14:27]<t4nk881> Sorry Guest, you are banned from using this forum is what the msg says
[14:28]<t4nk881> oh no, it also says the ban is not set to expire, does this mean i'll be banned for the rest of my life
[14:28]<@BC_Programming> Yes
[14:29]<t4nk881> oh no for one little mistake i'll be banned forever do u think thats a bit harsh
[14:30]<@BC_Programming> No.
[14:30]<t4nk881> is that how it is everywhere
[14:30]<@BC_Programming> typically
[14:30]<@BC_Programming> the CH channel ban is 2 weeks
[14:31]<t4nk881> so even in 10 years i wont be forgiven for what i did yesterday
[14:31]<@BC_Programming> forums usually don't have "suspensions"
[14:31]<t4nk881> what are suspensions
[14:32]<t4nk881> do u know who may have banned me from the forum
[14:32]<@BC_Programming> A heterogenous mixture containing solid particles, but that's not important right now
[14:32]<@BC_Programming> The only person who can ban on the forum is the CH Administrator
[14:32]<t4nk881> was it LC
[14:32]<t4nk881> that banned me from the forum
[14:33]<t4nk881> oh
[14:33]<t4nk881> u mean nathan
[14:33]<@BC_Programming> Yes
[14:33]<t4nk881> not even Allan can ban?
[14:33]<@BC_Programming> Not that I'm aware of.
[14:34]<t4nk881> how do i let them know that i wont do anything of this sort again
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[14:34]<@BC_Programming> You can still visit the main CH page and use the contact page to E-mail him directly.
[14:35]<t4nk881> ok thanks for the suggestion BC_Programming
[14:35]<t4nk881> i will send him an email
[14:36]<t4nk881> i remember Allan sounded very angry at me yesterday
[14:37]<@BC_Programming> Entitled Millenials don't get a lot of sympathy overall.
[14:37]<t4nk881> what do u mean by that sorry id didnt get what entitled millenials are
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[14:38]<t4nk881> they dont get what
[14:39]<@BC_Programming> Is English not your native language?
[14:40]<t4nk881> no
[14:40]<t4nk881> i mean English is my first language
[14:40]<@BC_Programming> Then I am at a loss to explain your lack of comprehension
[14:41]<t4nk881> like when u said entitled millenials were u meaning me
[14:42]<t4nk881> am i one
[14:42]<@BC_Programming> This has ceased to be amusing to me
[14:43]<t4nk881> @Bc-programming out of Allan or lostcoast which one do u think is more likely to forgive me first
[14:43]<@BC_Programming> Which one do you have a crush on?
[14:44]<t4nk881> Well i dont want to crush them
[14:44]<@BC_Programming> You say English is your first language, huh.
[14:45]<t4nk881> crushing someone would hurt
[14:45]<t4nk881> maybe im not getting what ur explaining to me
[14:46]<t4nk881> out of the 2 of them though, who might forgive me, like which one do u think is more angry at me
[14:48]<t4nk881> i hope my question made sense
[14:49]<t4nk881> like if i were to message them both an apology for what i did who might forgive me more
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[15:12]<t4nk881> sorry i had to step away for a few minutes
[15:13]<t4nk881> are u there BC_Programming
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[16:08]<+camerongray> Bloody hell
[16:08]<@BC_Programming> you missed it
[16:08]<@BC_Programming> that was fun
[16:08]<+camerongray> I was busy being productive :P
[16:09]<@BC_Programming> I liked when I said "OK you're unbanned" and he thought I somehow unbanned him
[16:09]<+camerongray> haha
[16:09]<+camerongray> Unless it's a troll...
[16:10]<+camerongray> Given that to find this channel you must know how to whois someone (me) on IRC to find I'm in here and then join the channel
[16:10]<@BC_Programming> yes that is a reasonable suspicion
[16:10]<@BC_Programming> I'll probably just ban them when they show up again
[16:10]<+camerongray> Ban him from here too, that would be really funny
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[16:13]<t4nk125> hi, for some reason i still seem to remain blocked
[16:13]<t4nk125> from the forum
[16:14]<@BC_Programming> what great timing! We were just talking about you
[16:14]<t4nk125> u remember me
[16:15]<@BC_Programming> It's hard to forget lobotomy patients
[16:16]<t4nk125> @BC_Programming i have been thinking abot my ban all day today
[16:16]<@BC_Programming> I can give you more food for thought if you like
[16:16]<t4nk125> sure
[16:16]<t4nk125> thank u
[16:17]<@BC_Programming> I was referring to the fact that I can ban you from here
[16:17]<t4nk125> pls dont ban me
[16:17]<t4nk125> is there anything i can do to avoid getting banned
[16:17]<@BC_Programming> I know! I mean what forum would you complain to?
[16:18]<t4nk125> pls dont ban me, if i leave from here immediately will u still ban me
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[16:19]<@BC_Programming> how is that Camerongray?
[16:19]<+camerongray> lol
[16:20]<@BC_Programming> I can't remember- when quietbanned does it look like they are saying things their end? And everyone is just ignoring them?
[16:20]<+camerongray> Not sure actually, do it to me and test
[16:20]<+camerongray> (this could go terribly)
[16:21]<@BC_Programming> well I imagine if he hasn't left the channel yet he's probably still typing messages and asking questions
[16:21]<@BC_Programming> completely unaware that we can't see them at all
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[16:24]<@BC_Programming> heh there we go
[16:24]<+camerongray> lol!
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[16:42]<+camerongray> Bollocks, just borked the Hadoop cluster I'm setting up
[16:42] * +camerongray deletes cluster and starts again
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[16:46]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: what do you think? 5 times maybe before he gives up?
[16:46]<+camerongray> lol
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[16:47]<@BC_Programming> he pm'd me that time
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[16:50]<@BC_Programming> hmm well now I get to contend with his constant query messages
[16:54]<@BC_Programming> jeez he really doesn't shut up
[16:55]<+camerongray> I hid him
[16:55]<+camerongray> Was pissing me off popping up when I'm trying to work
[16:55]<+camerongray> I'll read them later
[16:55]<@BC_Programming> he's PMing you too? he must be a troll
[16:58]<+camerongray> yeah
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[18:06]<@BC_Programming> Hey Calum
[18:06]<@Calum> Hey BC
[18:06]<@BC_Programming> You missed a load of fun a few hours back
[18:07]<@Calum> yeah?
[18:09]<@BC_Programming> some idiot who got banned from the CH channel... then went on the forum and complained. They got banned there for being a doofus, and somehow they ended up here
[18:09]<@BC_Programming> asking to get unbanned from CH...
[18:09]<@Calum> oh god, I saw that guy make a fool of himself on the forum and get banned
[18:10]<@BC_Programming> http://pastebin.com/hSLjXz8Q
[18:10]<@BC_Programming> he was so happy when I said "OK you're unbanned"
[18:11]<@Calum> what a tool
[18:12]<@BC_Programming> heh "What are suspensions?" he asks... "A heterogenous mixture containing solid particles, but that's not important right now" lol
[18:12]<@Calum> Hah
[18:13]<@BC_Programming> I toyed with him until he no longer amused me
[18:13]<@Calum> He clearly thinks he's very clever
[18:13]<@Calum> And just as clearly, isn't
[18:14]<@BC_Programming> well cameron's theory is that he is a troll, which isn't a bad theory
[18:14]<@BC_Programming> when I asked whether he had a Crush on LostCoast or Allan, he said "I don't want to crush anybody"
[18:15]<@Calum> either very dumb or trying hard to troll
[18:15]<@BC_Programming> perhaps a very dumb troll
[18:16]<@Calum> Heh, best of both
[18:19]<+camerongray> Hey Calum
[18:19]<+camerongray> YES, I DID IT!
[18:19] * @Calum claps
[18:19]<+camerongray> How's things?
[18:19]<@Calum> work is crap, just applied for many jobs
[18:19]<@Calum> other than that not too bad
[18:20]<+camerongray> haha, cool
[18:20]<@BC_Programming> good luck!
[18:20]<@BC_Programming> tech stuff?
[18:20]<@Calum> I have thought about keeping a blog to keep people entertained with the witterings and idiocy I'm surrounded by, but it'd be too ranty and probable too identifiable as me
[18:20]<@Calum> Yeah, looking for probably 2nd line support or similar
[18:21]<+camerongray> Calum: /r/talesfromtechsupport
[18:21]<@Calum> camerongray - I read it most nights heh
[18:21]<+camerongray> haha
[18:21]<@Calum> What happens every day is worse than say 95% of the stuff on there
[18:21]<+camerongray> Oh wow
[18:21]<@Calum> did you know you can put passwords on zip files?
[18:21]<+camerongray> I spent all week setting up a Hadoop cluster, broke it all at 5pm today :P
[18:21]<@Calum> That was a revelation from our "sysadmin"
[18:22]<+camerongray> oh wow, okay then
[18:22]<@Calum> "What's iperf?" he asks, looking very confused
[18:22]<@BC_Programming> you can put passwords on zip files? /s
[18:22]<@BC_Programming> "Help Calum I think we have the Tracer-T virus"
[18:23]<@Calum> He spent 2 hours trying to get someone on the VPN the other day
[18:23]<@Calum> they had / instead of \
[18:23]<@Calum> He's so far out of his depth that I can't even think of an analogy to describe him, and our IT manager is worse
[18:23]<+camerongray> Ahh, jeez
[18:24]<+camerongray> It's all to easy to just make up what you know in big companies like that and get promoted to positions you can't handle
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> thankfully nobody I work with is like that
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> and I'm insulated from the customers
[18:24]<@Calum> since I started doing all the purchasing we've been in an endless loop of "Why are all the PCs crap?" "You won't let me spend money"...spend some money..."Why have you spent money?" "We needed new PCs" "Stop spending money. Why are all of our PCs crap?"
[18:25]<@Calum> camerongray - that's exactly how he ended up where he is
[18:25]<+camerongray> Yeah, where I am is pretty good - We don't have an IT department, we just have a few people who really know what they are doing
[18:25]<@BC_Programming> we had one place complain that the databases weren't backed up. Apparently they expected the backup tool to save to their USB drive that they didn't have plugged in
[18:25]<@Calum> it's a shame our two very competent sysadmins left, because he's now intent on ripping out all of their good work
[18:25]<@Calum> BC_Programming - you mean it didn't plug it in automagically?
[18:25]<@Calum> It are useless
[18:26]<@Calum> *IT
[18:26]<@BC_Programming> They took it home over the weekend and plugged it in on Monday, then a few days later saw that Sunday and Saturday's backups weren't there and reported it as a bug
[18:26]<@Calum> It's probably my fault - almost everything else is, up to and including WW2
[18:27]<@Calum> just blame me
[18:27]<@Calum> I'm used to it
[18:27]<+camerongray> Ahh jeez, thankfully I avoid that
[18:27]<@BC_Programming> Another one claimed the updater "used to do this", where "this" was apparently being able to install software without administrator permissions
[18:28]<@Calum> It's just incredible the way that a) the company's going under because I think 60+ staff have left since January and b) the IT manager has turned the entire IT department against him, destroyed morale, and we're all just waiting to leave
[18:28]<@Calum> and nobody thinks there's a problem
[18:28]<@BC_Programming> What does this company do?
[18:29]<@Calum> Electrical and mechanical engineering is the best way I can describe it, although they apparently don't do a very good job of it
[18:30]<+camerongray> Ahh, ouch
[18:30]<+camerongray> At least there's always demand for people in the technology area
[18:31]<@Calum> I had a ton of emails and calls from recruiters when I started looking in earnest a few weeks back, not much since, but I keep applying
[18:31]<@Calum> hopefully something turns up soon
[18:31]<+camerongray> Yeah, hopefully
[18:31]<@Calum> In the meantime I'm milking the free training and exams as much as possible
[18:31]<@BC_Programming> The job I have now wasn't even a listing- I just tossed my resume at a local software company
[18:32]<@Calum> we can have time off to take exams, time off to study, and we can claim back mileage, exam costs and book costs, so I'm all over that
[18:32]<@Calum> BC_Programming - I might have to just start firing off some letters to local companies soon as well, see if I get anything back, worth a shot
[18:34]<@BC_Programming> yeah I basically just searched up on tech-related stuff in my City and fired E-mails off to a few places, in addition to seeing what was listed on job boards
[18:34]<@Calum> cool. Our old sysadmin is trying to get places for me and the other guy I work with at his new place, says his first linerws are rubbish so he'd rather have us
[18:34]<@Calum> so that'd be nice if it works out
[18:34]<@Calum> they're a direct competitor to my current place too
[18:35]<+camerongray> That would be good yeah
[18:35]<+camerongray> Up here Cisco closed their Edinburgh office and made all their engineers redundant. Brocade networks then opened up an office and hired them all
[18:35]<@Calum> hah
[18:36]<+camerongray> Think all but one of them took the job
[18:36]<@Calum> Amazing
[18:36]<@BC_Programming> I thought the job was going to be IT/hardware stuff. When I found out it was C# Programming, oh man
[18:36]<+camerongray> haha
[18:37]<@BC_Programming> It was like expecting a silver medal and getting Platinum
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[18:37]<+camerongray> Sweet!
[18:38]<@BC_Programming> That sure was a roller-coaster ride. I think maybe I should stop trying to make the topic about me
[18:38]<@Calum> nah it's good motivation
[18:39]<@BC_Programming> that feels like so long ago now, like a whole lifetime
[18:39]<+camerongray> I remember the day you lost your old job too
[18:39]<+camerongray> When you came on here moaning about something happening :P
[18:40]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[18:40]<@BC_Programming> And then the Dark times
[18:41]<+camerongray> Yeah
[18:41]<@BC_Programming> so when I get frustrated with something work-related I just remind myself what I'm doing :P
[18:42]<+camerongray> Yeah
[18:42]<+camerongray> Today when I was walking home I was thinking "I really need to fix that Hadoop cluster" (Totally broke it earlier today) then started planning how I would fix it when I got home
[18:43]<+camerongray> Then I realised that I wouldn't then get paid for it and basically had to hold myself back from doing anything work related
[18:43]<@Calum> heh
[18:43]<@BC_Programming> Ahh that's the nice thing about my job- I can basically file any time I work on work stuff
[18:44]<@BC_Programming> if I feel like working on that Updater Bug at 3 AM on Sunday Morning I can do so :P
[18:44]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah, I could do that
[18:44]<+camerongray> But I could also not and relax over the weekend
[18:45]<@BC_Programming> I bought Clean Code and Code Complete over a year ago now. Have barely read them at all, lol
[18:45]<@BC_Programming> and I'm on amazon looking at other books, wtf man
[18:46]<@Calum> I'm always doing that
[18:46]<@Calum> bought myself way too many books lately
[18:47]<+camerongray> I haven't bought books in ages
[18:47]<+camerongray> Too many computers though
[18:47]<@Calum> hah
[18:47]<@BC_Programming> It's sad because years ago I would have been all over these books
[18:47]<@Calum> I built the MD's son a computer yesterday...charged him double because I didn't like his case
[18:48]<@BC_Programming> lol
[18:48]<@Calum> smashed it together over lunch and he was over the moon
[18:48]<+camerongray> haha
[18:48]<@BC_Programming> was it one of those ugly "gamer" cases?
[18:48]<+camerongray> I managed to cut my finger on my bedroom HTPC, got annoyed and bought a new case :P
[18:48]<@Calum> CIT Vanquish or something...his power LED, HDDD LED and front panel audio cables didn't even reach that's how awful it was
[18:49]<+camerongray> Oh god yeah, those are terrible
[18:49]<@Calum> rest of his PC is alright though (because I specced it)
[18:49]<+camerongray> As is basically anything that says "CiT on it" (including the one I cut my finger on)
[18:49]<@BC_Programming> with a circle PSU?
[18:49]<@Calum> buying his old board and CPU very cheaply too, so win/win I guess
[18:49]<@Calum> speaking of which his old PSU was a Winpower! Haven't seen one of those for a while
[18:49]<@BC_Programming> oh wow
[18:50]<@BC_Programming> That's one of the 'value' brands from a few years back if I recall?
[18:50]<+camerongray> Yeah, not seen one of those in a while
[18:50]<@Calum> Indeed
[18:50]<+camerongray> Bedroom HTPC came with a CiT one (of course it was dead)
[18:50]<@Calum> utterly dreadful
[18:50]<+camerongray> Swapped it out for a nice FSP
[18:50]<@BC_Programming> probably still better than the PSU that was in my K6-2
[18:50]<+camerongray> One of those ones I got stupidly cheap on eBay, works amazingly
[18:51]<+camerongray> Literally rescued it from the bin so can't really complain
[18:51]<@Calum> lol
[18:51]<+camerongray> Now I've replaced the case I effectively got a free Athlon II x2 250 and board
[18:51]<+camerongray> And DVD drive
[18:51]<@BC_Programming> I don't like the cases that come with a PSU, seems like a better idea to get one proper
[18:52]<@Calum> yeah, almost always junk
[18:52]<@BC_Programming> Also not a fan of windows on the side, though saying that mine has a window on the side
[18:53]<@Calum> I sometimes like them, sometimes not, depends
[18:53]<@BC_Programming> Though I suppose there is the appeal of being able to see all the blinky lights inside
[18:54]<+camerongray> I like my window but i was sensible abou tit
[18:54]<@BC_Programming> what is an insensible window
[18:54]<+camerongray> haha
[18:54]<+camerongray> Like I don't have multicoloured lights.etc
[18:54]<+camerongray> Just a single white led strip
[18:54]<@BC_Programming> No it must have full RGB lighting
[18:55]<+camerongray> http://imgur.com/7uhqQEV
[18:55]<+camerongray> I do love this case
[18:57]<@Calum> it is nice
[18:57]<@BC_Programming> I don't like mine a whole lot. Motherboard has the standard side-mounted SATA ports, but there is almost no clearance between them and the drive-holdy parts
[18:57]<@Calum> I have some old Lian Li at the minute which I got cheap
[18:57]<@BC_Programming> drive-holdy parts is the technical term of course
[18:57]<@Calum> of course
[18:58]<+camerongray> This is what I did with the new bedroom HTPC case - Not bad for £25 or something: http://imgur.com/a/q7HaU
[18:58]<+camerongray> Cable management isn't great but I just wanted it built :P
[18:58]<@Calum> what is that?
[18:59]<+camerongray> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aerocool-QC-203-Rubber-Coated-Interior/dp/B00PK0JR9K/ref=sr_1_23?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1433027758&sr=1-23&keywords=micro+atx
[18:59]<@BC_Programming> no Display-Port? Pleb
[18:59]<@Calum> looks a lot more expensive than it is
[18:59]<+camerongray> Yeah, certainly does
[18:59]<+camerongray> Bit thin but not bad
[19:00]<@BC_Programming> I like the plain front style
[19:00]<@BC_Programming> no goofy weird designs
[19:00]<+camerongray> Compare the side and rear to this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Antec-VSK-3000B-2-Bay-Micro-ATX-Interior/dp/B00M0M8EC2/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1433530722&sr=1-5&keywords=antec+vsk
[19:00]<+camerongray> If I had to guess they are actually the same OEM/design
[19:00]<@Calum> VSK series are pretty much all nasty
[19:00]<+camerongray> Yeah
[19:01]<+camerongray> I wouldn't really call them antec
[19:01]<@Calum> nah
[19:01]<+camerongray> This one is quite thin but does the job, not sharp at least
[19:01]<+camerongray> I wouldn't trust it with a big GPU or anything but it's great for an office PC and looks good
[19:01]<@Calum> indeed
[19:01]<@Calum> oh, just reminded me, the system with that ridiculous SSD made it into usage now, it's "quite fast" according to its user...should be for £3000
[19:02]<@Calum> not the typical office PC anyway hah
[19:02]<+camerongray> All I'm running in it is a Athlon II x2 250, crappy AsRock board, Radeon 5450 for HDMI, 4gb RAM and a 120gb SSD
[19:02]<+camerongray> haha
[19:02]<@Calum> all you need for a htpc really
[19:02]<+camerongray> Also threw in a gigabit NIC - onboard is only 10/100 which is insane
[19:02]<@Calum> wow really?
[19:02]<+camerongray> Put it this way, Nforce based board
[19:02]<@Calum> ah yeah
[19:03]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, that's the key thing, the machine came with a Windows 7 COA
[19:03]<@BC_Programming> I was still thinking of trying to make a low-cost system, myself. I'd probably give it to my Brother as a present, he's still using a Compaq from when Compaq was it's own company, from like 2007
[19:03]<+camerongray> Main reason I bothered taking it if I'm honest
[19:03]<@Calum> nice
[19:04]<+camerongray> I was running an Optiplex 755 before with the same 5450 - Reasonable but it only had SATA 1.5 which bottlenecked the SSD
[19:04]<+camerongray> CPU was also a bit weaker E4400
[19:04]<+camerongray> I also figured that the optiplex is a nicer machine to use as a test system - Easier to work inside.etc
[19:04]<@Calum> yeah
[19:04]<@Calum> what are those crippled APUs without the GPU like, like the 750K?
[19:05]<+camerongray> Prety decent from what I can tell
[19:05]<@Calum> I think that's what I bought off that guy today with a Gigabyte board of some description
[19:05]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[19:05]<@Calum> my friend wants to build a PC so I was thinking it might make a decent enough cheap base
[19:05]<@Calum> if not I'll sell it for more though
[19:05]<+camerongray> Yeah, it'll be reasonable
[19:05]<@BC_Programming> What does APU stand for, I always see that for AMD and it makes me think ALU
[19:06]<+camerongray> Accelerated Processing Unit
[19:06]<@BC_Programming> lol
[19:06]<@BC_Programming> that is some hilarious marketing
[19:06]<@BC_Programming> RFPU "Really Fast Processing Unit"
[19:06]<+camerongray> haha
[19:29]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, Calum, did I tell you about my latest keyboard?
[19:29]<+camerongray> (I know I have a problem) :P
[19:29]<@Calum> hah, go on
[19:29]<+camerongray> Topre Realforce
[19:30]<@Calum> very nice
[19:30]<@BC_Programming> do you have a keyboard from wasdkeyboards? Can't remember
[19:30]<+camerongray> Not me
[19:30]<+camerongray> The only cherry board I have is a Filco (use that at work)
[19:30]<@BC_Programming> Buckling spring <3
[19:31]<+camerongray> Yeah, I have quite a few of those :P
[19:31]<@Calum> I have two Qpads with cherry blues and a German Cherry board with blacks....want a Ducky next I think
[19:31]<+camerongray> 2x Model M, 1x Model M2, 1x Unicomp Classic
[19:32]<@BC_Programming> heh or that overpriced one that somebody posted on facebook that looked like a typewriter keyboard
[19:32]<@Calum> hah yeah
[19:32]<@Calum> I would absolutely buy that for work if it wasn't so expensive
[19:43]<@Calum> btw camerongray, I'm thinking of ditching my Kimsufi server and upgrading to this, looks like a decent deal - http://www.online.net/en/dedicated-server/dedicated-server-overview-perso
[19:43]<@Calum> the $16/month one
[19:45]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, that looks okay
[19:45]<+camerongray> May want to also look at VPSs though since you may end up getting more CPU power
[19:45]<+camerongray> Less RAM though
[19:45]<+camerongray> Depends what you use it for
[19:46]<@Calum> I don't really need the RAM...I need decent-ish bandwidth, SSD would be a bonus, and a bit more CPU power than the older Atoms
[19:46]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[19:46]<+camerongray> What do you run on it?
[19:46]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: he is doing nothing shifty.
[19:46]<@Calum> hah
[19:47]<@Calum> The main thing is a distributed computing thing which is basically a search engine crawler (sounds less shifty when I explain it this way) but I'm going to try running some game servers as well
[19:47]<@Calum> the SSD would help massively with the crawler because when it archives at the end of a job it thrashes the HDD badly
[19:48]<+camerongray> Ahh cool
[19:49]<@Calum> I just like the idea of a dedicated box, not sure if a VPS would suit if there are some high traffic spikes along with average use of around 10MB/sec
[19:49]<@Calum> might be more with a better CPU to be fair, think it's CPU-limited at the minute
[19:51]<@BC_Programming> My ISP loves me
[19:51]<@BC_Programming> apparently "Hey this guy always pays his bill on time" means "hey let's try to get him to give us more"
[19:52]<@Calum> I'm still in dispute with mine over the fact that their peak time speeds are terribler
[19:52]<@Calum> er, terrible, but also terribler than they should be
[19:52]<@BC_Programming> they keep phoning me to try to get me to get Cable as well
[19:53]<@BC_Programming> "it's only 4 dollars more"
[19:53]<@BC_Programming> well yeah, for a few months, then it's like 60 bucks more or something because by then I'd have forgotten about it
[19:53]<@Calum> heh
[19:56]<+camerongray> Calum: Virgin?
[19:57]<@Calum> that's a bit personal?
[19:57]<@Calum> :P
[19:57]<@Calum> Yeah
[19:57]<+camerongray> haha
[19:57]<+camerongray> yeah, they can be a bit crap at times
[19:57]<+camerongray> <3 Plusnet
[19:57]<@BC_Programming> rofl... nice one
[19:57]<@Calum> they were great for 8 months, then have gone to hell
[19:57]<@Calum> Hefty discount on the bill and my ping does stay low at least
[19:57]<+camerongray> In my old flat it would just randomly cut out for a few hours every week
[19:57]<@Calum> but 5-20mb/sec from 4pm-11pm is a bit crap
[19:58]<+camerongray> Jeez yeah, that is
[19:58]<@Calum> ah, mine is very stable at least, never drops out
[19:58]<@Calum> thinking of trying an alternative but I'm not that close to an exchange
[19:58]<@BC_Programming> mine has been 60mbps every time I've tested it so far
[19:58]<@BC_Programming> which is sort of what I expect since that is the advertised speed
[19:58]<@Calum> one guy we game with lives in the middle of nowhere, he got 1mb...on a good day
[19:59]<@Calum> his ping would regularly climb to around 900
[19:59]<@Calum> "Ryan's on the move....there he goes...." wait 5 minutes "I think I disconnected guys"
[19:59]<@Calum> he now has BT Infinity though, 37mb I think, which is impressive considering where he is
[19:59]<@BC_Programming> I wish I could stand to play Minecraft online still
[20:00]<@BC_Programming> I can't though since the entire multiplayer ecosystem has become a craphole... probably one of the few people who doesn't play games online these days lol
[20:01]<@Calum> I hadn't played online for ages but we got some Left 4 Dead and Killing Floor action going every Wednesday now
[20:06]<+camerongray> Plusnet Fibre: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4411940515
[20:06]<@Calum> how much do you pay for that?
[20:06]<+camerongray> Like £20/mo
[20:06]<+camerongray> Line rental separate (Paid a year in advance)
[20:06]<@Calum> hmmmm
[20:06]<@Calum> tempting
[20:06]<+camerongray> With line rental comes closer to £30/mo
[20:07]<+camerongray> Also - Static IP for one off payment of £5
[20:08]<@Calum> bah, they're estimating 27mb for my address :(
[20:08]<@BC_Programming> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4411945765
[20:08]<@BC_Programming> I WIN!
[20:08]<+camerongray> nice
[20:08]<+camerongray> Shame about the upload though
[20:08]<@BC_Programming> eh it's cable so that's usually a given
[20:08]<+camerongray> True
[20:08]<+camerongray> I'd pay a fortune for 50/50
[20:09]<@Calum> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4411949029
[20:09]<@Calum> :(
[20:09]<+camerongray> ouch!
[20:09]<@Calum> supposed to be 100/6
[20:10]<+camerongray> My new flat is high enough up so that I could connect to this: https://ecn.scot/
[20:10]<@Calum> on a good day I get 110-ish down
[20:10]<@Calum> ah nice
[20:10]<+camerongray> Wireless network across the city - I know one of the guys who runs it so could get on for like £20/mo
[20:10]<+camerongray> Would be same up and down, speed varies based on wireless conditions but could be 100/100
[20:10]<@Calum> awesome
[20:11]<+camerongray> Should be nice
[20:12]<@BC_Programming> now if my work VPN connection would be more consistent that would be great
[20:12]<@Calum> just checked a few other providers in case Plusnet were being pessimistic but yeah, looks like 30mb-ish is the best I can get, so I'm pretty much stuck with Virgin
[20:13]<+camerongray> This is the sort of thing I need to connect to ECN: https://www.ubnt.com/airmax/nanostationm/
[20:13]<+camerongray> Shove it on the outside of the building and point in the correct direction
[21:26]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, our new computer labs opened earlier this week - So nice!
[21:26]<+camerongray> http://imgur.com/a/pr7hJ
[21:26]<+camerongray> Also note the new 1920x1200 IPS monitors to replace the ones from 2003 we had before
[21:27]<@BC_Programming> When I was in school the latest and greatest PCs were Pentium 4s
[21:27]<@BC_Programming> and they still used CRT screens
[21:27]<+camerongray> haha
[21:27]<@BC_Programming> so get off my lawn
[21:27]<+camerongray> When I started high school we had a few P4s with CRTs, most were Windows NT 4.0 Pentium Pros
[21:27]<@BC_Programming> that ceiling is an odd shape
[21:27]<@BC_Programming> or is it a panorama or something
[21:27]<+camerongray> They later got Athlon 64s with 512mb RAM, still terrible
[21:28]<+camerongray> It's an old army drill hall so is an arched rof
[21:28]<+camerongray> roof*
[21:28]<+camerongray> Yes, the building is the old "Edinburgh Poorhouse" that was later used as a plague hospital before it was bought by the army and had the drill hall built
[21:31]<+camerongray> This is the outside, it's a very strange building: http://imgur.com/IX0Oojr
[21:31]<+camerongray> Total maze inside
[21:31]<+camerongray> The part with the arched roof is where the main lab is
[21:34]<+camerongray> We also took extra care to move the random Christmas tree and "ceilingcat" from our old labs to the new one: http://imgur.com/a/NRUON
[21:34]<+camerongray> "ceilingcat" in particular is very special - Has been in the old lab for years, so much so that when the PC underneath was replaced, the new one was called "ceilingcat"
[21:35]<+camerongray> Putting that up was fun, it involved a ridiculously overengineered pulley system so we could raise it like a flag
[21:36]<@BC_Programming> neat
[21:36]<+camerongray> I literally had to email the uni saying we had left our "black and white picture of a cat" in the old building and that we needed access
[21:37]<+camerongray> I just know they are going to take a big group of fancy investors in to show the new lab and go "what the hell, really?"
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